Heart Happy (cathy_edgett) wrote,
Heart Happy

on reflection -

The exclaiming over Palin because she walked out with a smile and spouted without fainting reminds me of Bush and how the bar is set so low that just their showing up brings praise.   I agree with Joan Walsh in Salon.com that Biden was talking to everyone and I'm not sure who Palin was talking to at this point.

I think everyone in the world is aware of the current financial crisis.  I am unable to figure out a truly safe and comfortable place to put our savings.  Even Treasury bills will be worthless if the U.S. economy collapses.  Also, health care IS an issue that people are facing, so when Palin presents McCain's proposal,  I think most people are thinking, "Huh, $5000.00 - what is that in current health care costs, and how is that going to help me?"

The situation is dire, and the American people know it and when it comes time to vote, all the rhetoric isn't going to really matter.  They are going to look for intelligence, leadership, and compassion and I think those qualities are best seen in Obama-Biden.

It is a new world, and any security blanket that we may have thought was there is collapsing.   For Palin-McCain, the world is small.  I note that both McCain and Palin own more than one piece of property.   Also, each has a private plane.  Who is elitist and out of touch and no matter how well coached Palin was for the debate, she still doesn't read, even the news.   I think, in the voting booth, that counts.

From Salon.com

How Sarah Palin blew it

- Joan Walsh

Joe Biden and Sarah Palin were talking to two different Americas Thursday night. Actually, that's unfair to Joe Biden; he was trying to talk to everyone. I can say for certain, though, that Sarah Palin was talking to -- and winking at -- her own private Idaho, and for long stretches of the debate, it was an unnerving experience.

We could be in for a few days of pro-Palin commentary, since her subjects and verbs corresponded. For at least the first hour, she held her own; she was funny sometimes, occasionally charming. Still, the Obama-Biden ticket will survive it. Biden was stronger on every single substantive point, and that's the impression that will last.

But the pit bull in lipstick was back. After her disarming "Hey, can I call you Joe?" Palin was vicious, with a winning smile. After a passionate Biden plea to "walk with me in my neighborhood," in Delaware and Scranton, where "the middle class has gotten the short end," she ridiculed him: "Say it ain't so, Joe, there you go again! Pointing backwards again!"

There were two key moments for me when Sarah Palin blew it badly. One was substantive, one was symbolic. The substantive was her bizarre statement about being happy that Dick Cheney had expanded the powers of the vice-presidency, and wanting to expand the powers more. I think that's what she said, it was one of many moments I didn't entirely understand her point, but I got her overall meaning. Biden came back with a decisive: "Vice President Cheney has been the most dangerous vice president in American history," and he defended the existing limits on vice-presidential power. Point: Biden. Big time.

The symbolic moment Palin flubbed was subjective, of course. But I instant-messaged a friend that she lost the debate when Biden choked up over losing his wife and child in a car accident in which his sons were critically injured -- and she went straight back into "John McCain is a maverick." I truly expected her to express human sympathy with Biden, and her failure to do so showed me something deeply wrong with her. But maybe that's just me.

She made other mistakes that others have already caught: She called the top commander in Afghanistan "General McClellan"; his name is David McKiernan. She said the troop levels in Iraq are down to pre-surge levels; they're not. She simply didn't answer a lot of the questions. Moderator Gwen Ifill tried to pull her back, but Palin is stubborn; she had her talking points, and she stuck to them.

I thought Biden and Palin tied for the first third of the debate, that Palin actually won the second third on moxie and charisma, not policy (Biden looked visibly angry at a few points, and that's never good), but Biden cleaned her clock in the last third. He quoted his dad telling him, "Champ, when you get knocked down, get up!" -- and he listened to his father. Biden got up, and he won the debate.

We'll see how it plays out in the days to come.

I disagree with Walsh on Palin showing moxie and charisma.  I didn't see it and don't think it counts in running the country.  I also thought Biden showed firmness, but did not show anger.   I think it was hard for him not to wonder why he was up there with someone with so little background, experience, or ability to care.


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